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Re: Energy Rates and TV costs
« Reply #30 on: December 23, 2010, 10:24:40 AM »
Of course coal ash is toxic... so just don't eat it!! Sheech. And don't put it into your garden either.

I hear that it can be used to make all kinds of things, including pavement. It replaces other materials that would have to be mined and can better be used in other things. And then there'd be no need to collect billions of gallons of it to get spilled into the environment as happened a while back in the east. I suspect it got collected because the "rules" made it difficult or impossible to ship it to where it could be used.
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« Reply #31 on: December 23, 2010, 10:51:59 AM »
Yeah, like I believe anything that the EPA says. They were the ones that told thousands of rescuers (including me) at Ground Zero that the air was fine. We are all paying for it now. And yes, let's not forget that the CO2 we breath out is also toxic to the environment.

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Re: Energy Rates and TV costs
« Reply #32 on: December 23, 2010, 10:54:39 AM »
Of course coal ash is toxic... so just don't eat it!! Sheech. And don't put it into your garden either.

I hear that it can be used to make all kinds of things, including pavement. It replaces other materials that would have to be mined and can better be used in other things. And then there'd be no need to collect billions of gallons of it to get spilled into the environment as happened a while back in the east. I suspect it got collected because the "rules" made it difficult or impossible to ship it to where it could be used.
As long as it is not outgassing anything, Fly Ash (coal ash) is and has been used quite successfully as an additive to Gypsum in wall board.
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Re: Energy Rates and TV costs
« Reply #33 on: December 23, 2010, 11:13:25 AM »
And yes, let's not forget that the CO2 we breath out is also toxic to the environment.

Are you serious? CO2 is NOT "toxic" at all. It is plant food.
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« Reply #34 on: December 23, 2010, 11:14:46 AM »
There is a coal-fired generation plant not far from here.  People out here in the country like to use the fly ash for road base.  Works especially well if you coat it with "toxic" (LOL) waste oil after it packs down.  If you "spill" either of those on the ground it's considered a hazard, doing it on purpose is just fine.  What's up with that??

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Re: Energy Rates and TV costs
« Reply #35 on: December 23, 2010, 11:41:51 AM »
And yes, let's not forget that the CO2 we breath out is also toxic to the environment.

Are you serious? CO2 is NOT "toxic" at all. It is plant food.

He was being sarcastic. Like the greenies say all the time, C02 is causing global warming. Sarcasm is hard to portray via text. We need a sarcasm font and more usage of  :P and  8)
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« Reply #36 on: December 23, 2010, 11:50:15 AM »
Thansk Stratispho. Text does not allow sarcasm to come across well.  ;)

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Re: Energy Rates and TV costs
« Reply #37 on: December 23, 2010, 11:51:36 AM »
He was being sarcastic. Like the greenies say all the time, C02 is causing global warming. Sarcasm is hard to portray via text. We need a sarcasm font and more usage of  :P and  8)

Agreed... but there are a lot of people who do believe that stuff. I was just reading one guy pontificating on the idea that all the record cold and snow in the UK and China and everywhere else was because of global warming. HUH??? Yeah, right. :)
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« Reply #38 on: December 23, 2010, 11:52:48 AM »
I sure hope all this global warming goes away before everyone freezes to death.
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Re: Energy Rates and TV costs
« Reply #39 on: December 23, 2010, 12:18:06 PM »
We need to seriously get underground, or head for the stars... 

The Coming of a New Ice Age http://www.winningreen.com/site/epage/59549_621.htm

Entering a new ice age, however, would be catastrophic for the continuation of modern civilization. 

One has only to look at maps showing the extent of the great ice sheets during the last Ice Age to understand what a return to ice age conditions would mean.  Much of Europe and North-America were covered by thick ice, thousands of feet thick in many areas and the world as a whole was much colder. 

The last “little” Ice Age started as early as the 14th century when the Baltic Sea froze over followed by unseasonable cold, storms, and a rise in the level of the Caspian Sea.  That was followed by the extinction of the Norse settlements in Greenland and the loss of grain cultivation in Iceland.  Harvests were even severely reduced in Scandinavia   And this was a mere foreshadowing of the miseries to come.

By the mid-17th century, glaciers in the Swiss Alps advanced, wiping out farms and entire villages. In England, the River Thames froze during the winter, and in 1780, New York Harbor froze.  Had this continued, history would have been very different.  Luckily, the decrease in solar activity that caused the Little Ice Age ended and the result was the continued flowering of modern civilization.

There were very few Ice Ages until about 2.75 million years ago when Earth’s climate entered an unusual period of instability.  Starting about a million years ago cycles of ice ages lasting about 100,000 years, separated by  relatively short interglacial perioods, like the one we are now living in became the rule.  Before the onset of the Ice Ages, and for most of the Earth’s history, it was far warmer than it is today. 
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Re: Energy Rates and TV costs
« Reply #40 on: December 23, 2010, 12:51:18 PM »
As Niven & Pournell so enjoyably pointed out in their book "Fallen Angels", "Global Warming" from pollution is likely the only reason we haven't frozen to death already.

Great read, and you can download the E-Book free from baen.com's "Free Library"
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Re: Energy Rates and TV costs
« Reply #41 on: December 23, 2010, 03:14:25 PM »
"Global Warming" from pollution is likely the only reason we haven't frozen to death already.

Who's "facts" did they use to come to that conclusion? Did they factor in the well documented solar activity that the earth has been hit with?

I always laugh when people start pointing to pollution as the cause of global warming seeing as one volcano, in a matter of days, will pump out more pollution then the whole human civilization does in years.
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Re: Energy Rates and TV costs
« Reply #42 on: December 23, 2010, 03:22:38 PM »
"Global Warming" from pollution is likely the only reason we haven't frozen to death already.

Who's "facts" did they use to come to that conclusion? Did they factor in the well documented solar activity that the earth has been hit with?

I always laugh when people start pointing to pollution as the cause of global warming seeing as one volcano, in a matter of days, will pump out more pollution then the whole human civilization does in years.
Read the story.  It's a good one.  100% anti Goob - especially anti Envirowacko Goob.

Point is, they are saying the effect (like using smudge pots on an orange grove) is a temporary net positive...
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Re: Energy Rates and TV costs
« Reply #43 on: December 23, 2010, 08:33:25 PM »
Read more... @#$% My reading list is pages long and I can only read a book every week or every other depending on length. It's much easier to argue on the internet with baseless opinions!  ;D
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Re: Energy Rates and TV costs
« Reply #44 on: December 23, 2010, 08:49:55 PM »
Not sure if it's just my computer but I tried with Internet Explorer and Firefox and the http://www.baen.com/library/ site won't open the Fallen Angel page. Keeps popping up an error code of some sort.

Server Error in '/' Application.
Runtime Error
Description: An application error occurred on the server. The current custom error settings for this application prevent the details of the application error from being viewed remotely (for security reasons). It could, however, be viewed by browsers running on the local server machine.

Details: To enable the details of this specific error message to be viewable on remote machines, please create a <customErrors> tag within a "web.config" configuration file located in the root directory of the current web application. This <customErrors> tag should then have its "mode" attribute set to "Off".

<!-- Web.Config Configuration File -->

<configuration>
    <system.web>
        <customErrors mode="Off"/>
    </system.web>
</configuration>


Notes: The current error page you are seeing can be replaced by a custom error page by modifying the "defaultRedirect" attribute of the application's <customErrors> configuration tag to point to a custom error page URL.

<!-- Web.Config Configuration File -->

<configuration>
    <system.web>
        <customErrors mode="RemoteOnly" defaultRedirect="mycustompage.htm"/>
    </system.web>
</configuration>
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