Author Topic: Where Can you Open Carry, And Where Can't You?  (Read 52937 times)

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Re: Where Can you Open Carry, And Where Can't You?
« Reply #75 on: March 21, 2012, 12:47:06 PM »
Sorry for making you repeat it. It just seemed too simple; I thought I must have overlooked something. So essentially there's no need for any sort of permit as long as you remain within the state. It seems too good to be true. I believe this calls for one of these >  ~W~

Yep, that's the idea.

Realize that there are still all kinds of idiotic restrictions and rules imposed on concealed carry that are not a problem with open carry. You need to go look at the actual statutes and educate yourself on the specifics if you plan to CC.

The bottom line, however, is that nobody stops folks in the street to hassle them about anything, so what you choose is your business unless you run into (or cause) trouble. Then it might be an issue.
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Re: Where Can you Open Carry, And Where Can't You?
« Reply #76 on: June 12, 2012, 10:06:05 PM »



3) I kept telling my better half that we will see LOTS of folks in WY open carrying, however during our entire travels in the state, we only saw one person OC'ing.  Are most folks concealed carrying instead?


I reckon you'll see more open cary in the summertime when it's t-shirt weather. Come fall and winter, when jackets are common, it'd be no big surprise that some folks have their iron beneath a jacket. And come the sleet and rains in Spring, you betcha my raingear will offer protection to both me and my handgun.

I'm a bit of an odd duck in that I tend to favor an Army tank crewman's shoulder holster instead of a belt rig. But after some 45 years of using one, I've gotten kind of used to one, and putting it on/taking it off is as simple as tossing the one-strap over one shoulder.

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Re: Where Can you Open Carry, And Where Can't You?
« Reply #77 on: June 12, 2012, 11:25:36 PM »
What has not been made perfectly clear to me yet is when I travel into WY, as a non-resident, I plan to OC, my current state allows permit-less OC. By “law” I think I am good to go then as I meet the requirements of both home and guest state. Does anyone see any LEGAL problems with that? (I highlighted legal to attempt to keep the agreed upon ethical problems from being repeated.)


Hmmm....maybe it's time for Alan Korwin to expand his literary
offerings with a new volume, "Wyoming Gunowner's Guide".

Definitely couldn't hurt...

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Steve Kristmann  aka Northgunner III

Steve, I have been pouring over David Wong’s “Travelers Gun & Knife Law Book” offered on Alan’s site. I can’t find anything there to contradict my thoughts. I am surprised no one quoted any of his work till you brought it up. And yes, the WY version would be much appreciated.

FDNY, check out www.gunlaws.com a lot of Boston’s books are available there as well as current clear text on individual state gun laws.
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Re: Where Can you Open Carry, And Where Can't You?
« Reply #78 on: June 13, 2012, 06:16:55 AM »
What has not been made perfectly clear to me yet is when I travel into WY, as a non-resident, I plan to OC, my current state allows permit-less OC. By “law” I think I am good to go then as I meet the requirements of both home and guest state. Does anyone see any LEGAL problems with that? (I highlighted legal to attempt to keep the agreed upon ethical problems from being repeated.)

No, you will not have any problems carrying openly in Wyoming, resident or not. There is not one word in the Wyoming statutes that even mentions open carry. It's legal. Quit worrying. :)
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Re: Where Can you Open Carry, And Where Can't You?
« Reply #79 on: June 13, 2012, 01:55:35 PM »
Thanks
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Re: Where Can you Open Carry, And Where Can't You?
« Reply #80 on: July 16, 2012, 06:52:43 PM »
Hi All.  Will be visiting in a few weeks and will be bringing my little Glock 19.  I will be open carrying while in Wyoming, which will be a very new experience for me.  Back here in the PRNY, I went through HELL getting my pistol permit.  It's restricted to being with me only in my home or back and forth to the range.  It took 5 months for the paper work to come back.  My permit is only good for 5 years.  Although I was only in the county for about one year, I needed (4) character references from people that knew me at least (4) years that lived IN the county. Let me tell you that was an ordeal, but I was creative and got it done, legitimately.  I had to convince (2) liberals to vouch for me, and they did so despite being adamantly opposed to firearm ownership. 

I went to Porcfest in NH back in 2009, and it was surreal seeing so many people OCing.  I didn't think to bring my gun at the time because the restrictions placed on me by the PRNY really made me quite timid.  As I said, I will open carry in Wyoming, and I know it will be weird for me at first.  Even for people that are experienced shooters, coming from such a restrictive state and visiting a truly free state is a surreal experience, that's all that I can say.  I'm sure there's an unstated etiquette that goes along with OCing, and I only hope any faux pas I commit will be easily laughed off.  With the Glock I never carry (when camping on my land up in the mountains) with a round in the chamber since it doesn't have a conventional, mechanical safety.

I look forward to visiting Wyoming and hope to meet as many of you as I can.  Coming from a place where LEOs are feared and hated and going to a place where it seems they are POs in spirit will be, hopefully, a wonderful experience. 
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Re: Where Can you Open Carry, And Where Can't You?
« Reply #81 on: July 16, 2012, 07:15:14 PM »
With the Glock I never carry (when camping on my land up in the mountains) with a round in the chamber since it doesn't have a conventional, mechanical safety.

The Glock has a most excellent conventional, mechanical safety... namely your trigger finger.   As long as you have a decent holster that covers the trigger, It would be best to carry the way the gun is intended to be carried, and in what is ultimately the safest condition for you.    If you are simply carrying to make a political statement, then by all means carry chamber empty, hell you might as well carry it unloaded.   If you plan on carrying it as a self defense tool, carry it loaded... completely loaded.   We could run a few quick drills which might impress upon you the futility in thinking that you will be able to draw and work the slide in a timely manner under stress during a simulated reactive situation.    If you are uncomfortable with your trigger finger control during the draw, I would suggest practicing until you are completely comfortable.  Practice with a blue gun, or unloaded real gun.  Once again, if you have a lazy trigger finger, it will end up where you don't want it when it really matters.   

Anyhow, sorry, rant off.   I hope you enjoy your trip to Wyoming!   Welcome.

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Re: Where Can you Open Carry, And Where Can't You?
« Reply #82 on: July 16, 2012, 07:27:34 PM »
With the Glock I never carry (when camping on my land up in the mountains) with a round in the chamber since it doesn't have a conventional, mechanical safety.
If you plan on carrying it as a self defense tool, carry it loaded... completely loaded.   We could run a few quick drills which might impress upon you the futility in thinking that you will be able to draw and work the slide in a timely manner under stress during a simulated reactive situation.   
I would be very, very much interested in learning from anyone willing to teach.  Carrying is something I'm not accustomed to doing at all.  I would love to go  take a practical defense class while I'm out there.  All I've had is the NRA safety class in order to appease the gubbermint minions I was qualified/worthy to own firearm...  Please rant!  I truly want to learn.  I'm not going to carry specifically to make a political statement.  On my land here I have to worry about mama bear and cubs and packs of coyotes and your usual featherless bipeds.  Out there I think there are probably some serious 4 legged predators that can ruin my trip if I do something really stupid!  So that's at least half the impetus for bringing by little friend.

Sincerely
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Re: Where Can you Open Carry, And Where Can't You?
« Reply #83 on: July 18, 2012, 01:47:35 PM »
In the summer of 1966, the Army saw fit to train me as a tank crewman, the equipment for which then included the M1911A1 .45 pistol and the M3/M3A1 .45 *greasegun* submachinegun, among other novelties. When I came out of my Advanced Individual Training at the Armor School, I had a shiny new expert's badge for *tank weapons* and *pistol* to go with the expert rating I had earned with the M14 rifle when I went through Basic. I pretty much figured at that p[oint that I knew what I was doing with a .45 auto; I'd often shot my dad's old Air Corps .45, so I figured I was pretty good.
 
Until I got to my new unit, where I found out just how much I didn't know. The 70th Armor was [and still is] the oldest and most decorated independent tank unit in the US Army; they made 3 amphibious landings during WWII, and were the Yank outfit that linked up after D-Day with the Airborne advance units still fighting when the 70th's tanks rolled up. Korea was pretty much the same deal: the 70th's tank companies with 90mm gun Pershings got *lent out* to the Cav units whose M24 light tanks main gun rounds were bouncing off the Soviet-supplied T34s just like they had with Panthers and Tigers 5 years previously. So we had high standards to meet.
 
We relearned EVERYTHING about the M1911: how to kill someone with it without firing a shot, how to kill ourselves with it- not an inconsequential consideration if you've ever seen a tank burn with a crew inside- how to use it for a bottle opener, how to detail strip it down to each and every one of its component parts and reassemble them correctly.
 
And then we relearned how to shoot the M1911, including firing the .45 pistol qualification course from the drivers and loaders hatches of five tanks parked on the pistol range. We fired off around 4000 rounds- 4 of the .50 caliber-sized ammo cans of ammo worth- of .45 ammo in the course of relearning on how to use the pistol at ranges from two feet [a bad guy on the back deck of the tank behind the turret] to about 200 yards, about as far as a .45 is generally effective. We also learned about some of the exceptions.

Later in life I attended a couple of *handgun schools,* including, among other things, personal instruction from Ray Chapman and Col. Jeff Cooper when they were alive and teaching.

I've got a .45 Commander built by Armand Swenson, actually a lightweight Commander slide he fitted to a M1911 frame he shortened to Commander length for me, before Colt began to offer the Combat Commander around 1970. Neverytheless, it's a treasured heirloom now, a reminder of the days when we were still hacking around to find out what worked and what doesn't. My most usual carry piece now lately is a pretty much plain-Jane 1911, in this example an Argentine M1927 series DGFM, reworked and tuned, but pretty much looking stock, and usually carried in an old M3 tanker's shoulder holster, same as I did as an 18-year-old crewdog 45 years ago.

I've got and use other tools of course; and the factory sights on a Walther P.38 work a little better in the dark with my older eyes than those of a GI M1911A1 generally do. I like Glocks and SIGs and Springfield XDs, several of each of which I've owned and tried.
 
But when it comes time to go out and face the possibility of another of the three lethal fights in which a handgun was my working tool rather than something more authoritative, it's most generally a M1911A1 that's along with me. We get along just fine, and after all these years, we understand each other.

And if at any time you'd care to learn some of that which I've picked up about the M1911 .45 while you're in Wyoming, by all means, I'd be glad to show you.
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Re: Where Can you Open Carry, And Where Can't You?
« Reply #84 on: July 19, 2012, 09:17:00 PM »
And if at any time you'd care to learn some of that which I've picked up about the M1911 .45 while you're in Wyoming, by all means, I'd be glad to show you.

Archy:  Are you now in WY?  If so, please let us know...would love to meet you!   :)

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Re: Where Can you Open Carry, And Where Can't You?
« Reply #85 on: July 19, 2012, 09:19:27 PM »
In the summer of 1966, the Army saw fit to train me as a tank crewman, the equipment for which then included the M1911A1 .45 pistol and the M3/M3A1 .45 *greasegun* submachinegun, among other novelties.

And if at any time you'd care to learn some of that which I've picked up about the M1911 .45 while you're in Wyoming, by all means, I'd be glad to show you.

First off I want to thank you for your kind offer, which I have every intention of taking you up on!  Me and the Mrs. will be in up in Weston County in 15 days, but who's counting?

My father was drafted into WW2 and he was 2nd Lt. and a Tanker.  He was in platoon of Tanks attached to an infantry division (I'm ashamed to say I don't remember if it was the 76th or 77th or 176th or 177th but he was actually with other's as well) and he said the last place anyone wanted to be was in an American tank.  He said everybody had better tanks.  The Americans just had a lot more of them.  He didn't talk much about the war or at least in great detail.  But he did say that he could "button up an American tank" if that's a term, I that that's the term he used anyway, himself on foot.  He told be about the horror of artillery shells that pierced armor and never came out.  He was with the 101st Airborn in Belgium.  He crossed the bridge at Remagen right after the 9th Armored, and he was in Ebensee Austria when the notorious Nazi work camp was liberated.  He had a reputation for being able to take out church steeples from 7 miles away with artillery (I guess to knock out enemy FOs.)  Somewhere I still have his rangefinder.  He actually liberated a German one in France one that was much better and used that for much of the war, so he said.

The best advice he ever gave me was "don't join the military."  He said I was not the type to take orders from some 21 year old snot-nosed 2nd liutennant.  He did make me sign up for the selective service though.  He marched me right down to the post office on either my 17th or 18th birthday, I forget.  He got tired of the military and denied a tempting promotion to captain if he would only go to Korea.  He told them instead to take a hike.  He was still pissed because he got reprimanded and nearly sued by the govt because he ditched some kind of plow thing on the fromt of his tank that was slowing him down once he got through the hedgerows in France.  The best picture I have of him is an old black & white of him in uniform with his 1911 right at his side taken in St. Wolfgang Germany.

Thanks for reminding me of what are actually some of the better memories I have of him.  He was a hard man that had a hard life.

Mama said she was going to round up some of the clan when we were in town, so I am hoping that we will meet then, else I will make it a point to meet with you somewhere if you have the time.  We'll be in Weston county from Saturday 8/4 to at least Tuesday night 8/7.  

Kind Regards,
B
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Re: Where Can you Open Carry, And Where Can't You?
« Reply #86 on: July 25, 2012, 11:08:56 AM »
And if at any time you'd care to learn some of that which I've picked up about the M1911 .45 while you're in Wyoming, by all means, I'd be glad to show you.

Archy:  Are you now in WY?  If so, please let us know...would love to meet you!   :)

Kelly

Not yet. Got a small legal matter to get out of the way [witness, not defendant] which should cleared up one way or the other in about 6 weeks. I can't begin to tell  you how annoyed I am that it came at the time that it did, but the payoff [happily, not money] may, MAYBE might be worth it.

Details once I make it back to the Cowboy state. 
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