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Offline MamaLiberty

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Re: Where Can you Open Carry, And Where Can't You?
« Reply #30 on: December 24, 2010, 04:59:56 AM »
Just remember that cops are not lawyers either. And they often do not really KNOW the "law" they are supposed to be enforcing. Just saying...
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Re: Where Can you Open Carry, And Where Can't You?
« Reply #31 on: December 24, 2010, 09:48:27 AM »
@jscott
Yes, I do think it would be a good idea.
When I first moved to NV I went into the local sheriff's office (with handgun left in car) and asked if I could speak to an officer about firearms (notice my use of words). The deputy was quite pleased to talk to me about the laws and expectations from their point of view. It was then that I was told that I could lay the weapon on the front seat, on the dash, or keep it in my holster while driving. And when I asked about what if I was stopped for some traffic infraction, he suggested that if I told the officer I was armed before stepping out of the vehicle (if it came to that) that that would be best. At the end of the conversation he thanked me profusely for taking the time to understand the laws (and customs) of the area.

The same was true here in Crook County when speaking to a deputy at the gas station. Again, I think any rural law enforcement agency welcomes honest, law abiding, and well behaved citizens whether they carry or not. They are not our enemy and we are not theirs. Too much of their day might involve people who are not quite so upstanding as the people on this forum so they welcome speaking to an educated citizen.

Then again, this doesn't ALWAYS apply and there are indeed rogue cops. But my experience in WY (and NV) has been nothing but positive. I would think that a face to face discussion with your local LEOs might be a good thing if you want to know where they stand.

BTW, once, while visiting my cousin in Denver, I decided to to the same thing. I went into the local PD (might have been an adjoining city and not Denver proper) and asked the same questions. The cop looked at me with astonishment. His eyes got big. He reiterated my question by asking, "So you want to carry a LOADED HANDGUN IN YOUR CAR?" I replied, yes, I know that there is NO LAW against it, but wanted to make sure it wouldn't be a problem if I was stopped for any reason. First he IMPLIED that it would be illegal. But when I pressed him for the specific law, he changed his story. Then he started citing "officer safety". Lastly, in exasperation he said, "Let me put it this way. If we find that you have a gun, WE WILL TAKE YOU DOWN AT GUNPOINT, GET YOU ON THE GROUND, REMOVE YOUR WEAPON, DETAIN YOU, AND RUN YOUR INFO AND THE GUN'S INFO. If everything checks out we will let you go, but might retain your gun for a few days for more testing."

Those are his ACTUAL words as best as I can remember them (about 8 years ago).

A world of difference between Denver and Crook County.

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Re: Where Can you Open Carry, And Where Can't You?
« Reply #32 on: December 24, 2010, 12:37:59 PM »
That doesn't surprise me about the Denver area. Most of the East Coast would be about the same.

I've thought about going to the Sheriff's office to do just that, Mac. I certainly trust them more than the Rock Springs or Green River PD, but, as with any advice, it must be taken with a grain of salt. I think the benefit of talking with the LEOs in any local area is to find out what their expectations and general dispositions are. That's my main concern about keeping my firearm on me while driving around here (especially in Rock Springs city limits): regardless of what is legal or not, what matters is what the cops think is legal or allowed. It's good information, as it's better to be prepared for what might transpire rather than saying, "These are my rights, so F*** off!" Although, it's important to have the fortitude to say that when necessary  >:D
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Re: Where Can you Open Carry, And Where Can't You?
« Reply #33 on: December 29, 2010, 05:26:48 PM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VI1bN-tCyfA

Here's a great clip on open carry in Wyoming.
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Re: Where Can you Open Carry, And Where Can't You?
« Reply #34 on: December 29, 2010, 08:27:11 PM »

Short of extolling the benefits of OC that's about as good as it gets
from the local news.
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Re: Where Can you Open Carry, And Where Can't You?
« Reply #35 on: December 29, 2010, 09:00:49 PM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VI1bN-tCyfA

Here's a great clip on open carry in Wyoming.

I like that one. And two of the newscasters in it are in "Guns and Weed."

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Re: Where Can you Open Carry, And Where Can't You?
« Reply #36 on: December 29, 2010, 09:02:07 PM »
When I said on a different thread on here recently that "I've traveled all over the state and other than FSW folks and Neema, I've only ever seen one other person open carrying", the one other person was the cowboy in this piece.

I think he carries a single action (!) revolver for self-defense.

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Re: Where Can you Open Carry, And Where Can't You?
« Reply #37 on: December 29, 2010, 09:06:09 PM »

Short of extolling the benefits of OC that's about as good as it gets
from the local news.


And it won't be like that good again for a while likely. Neema used to do all the cool libertarian and gun reports on K2 News TV, and he just moved to Washington State for a new job this month. K2 replaced him with a Democrat gal who just moved here from California.

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Re: Where Can you Open Carry, And Where Can't You?
« Reply #38 on: December 29, 2010, 09:32:29 PM »
K2 replaced him with a Democrat gal who just moved here from California.
(I am just thinking "out loud" for a moment.  If my idea sounds stupid, it probably is...)

(Rest of text removed: off-topic and probably not in line with FSW interests.)
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Re: Where Can you Open Carry, And Where Can't You?
« Reply #39 on: December 29, 2010, 10:08:35 PM »
Folks,


Let keep the topic on track please. No discussing "headhunting" or "other actions" against anybody (even if they are Kalifornians and Democrat).  >:D

To continue, I watched the v >:Dideo, and I believe that they said that " ...you are allowed to carry an 'unloaded' (?) gun"  Did my ears decieve me?

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Re: Where Can you Open Carry, And Where Can't You?
« Reply #40 on: December 29, 2010, 10:25:19 PM »
Just re-listened to the relevant parts: The audio quality isn't great on this vid, but Neema was saying, "you don't need a permit and the gun CAN be loaded..." I can see how it sounded a lot like "can't"

Neema will be missed.
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Re: Where Can you Open Carry, And Where Can't You?
« Reply #41 on: December 29, 2010, 10:31:15 PM »
K2 replaced him with a Democrat gal who just moved here from California.
(I am just thinking "out loud" for a moment.  If my idea sounds stupid, it probably is...)

Is shunning her a viable option? How about stern, angry, or grumpy letters to the management?

Or how about lots and lots of "personal" calls to her when she is at work?  Or when she is at home?  ("Hey, I saw you on TV and you look hot.  Wanna go out?"  Again, and again ...)  If dozens of people called dozens of times, that could really add up.

Although it would cost money, maybe a billboard could work.  Maybe something like "Firstname Lastname, we hate you.  GO HOME!"  If she drove past it every day, it might be the straw that broke the camel's back.

Then again, some money paid to a private investigator might dig up some dirt that could make her uncomfortable.

Please keep in mind that coming from California is cause for suspicion, but there are obvious exceptions when the person moves for the right reasons.  Moving for a job is not one of those exceptions.  And someone who identifies with the "Democratic" party is fair game for a thrashing.
 

Are you serious?

This would all be incredibly silly, and kind of creepy. She's not a bad kid, doesn't have an agenda, doesn't identify as a democrat, and Wyoming may change her. FWIW, A majority of newscasters are democrats. Same with most TV station owners.

Also, K2 didn't fire Neema, he left on his own when his contract ended for a better paying job in a bigger market.

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Re: Where Can you Open Carry, And Where Can't You?
« Reply #42 on: December 29, 2010, 10:36:23 PM »
I agree--that would be weird and it's also off topic. Besides, it's not her fault she was born in California!

I just wanted to post the video because it does have an interview with a Casper LEO and he basically tells Neema the requirements for legal open carry in Wyoming. Plus, it's nice to hear that kind of information coming from the evening news!
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Re: Where Can you Open Carry, And Where Can't You?
« Reply #43 on: December 29, 2010, 10:39:53 PM »
Folks,



To continue, I watched the v >:Dideo, and I believe that they said that " ...you are allowed to carry an 'unloaded' (?) gun"  Did my ears decieve me?

Yes, you heard wrong. Probably because K2 has awful audio most of the time. Various interns mix the audio on that station, and the overall production quality looks and sounds like a high school AV team.

Neema open carries. He actually got in "trouble" for it from the sheriff of Natrona County. Not a sheriff, but the sheriff. Mark Benton personally called K2 and basically said "If you keep letting that reporter show up at at active crime scenes with a gun on his hip, we're not going to cooperate with the station anymore."

If we wanna talk about action, how about voting out Mark Benton next time? A "sovereign citizen" guy ran against him this year,
http://trib.com/news/local/article_e3719a80-7efe-5d55-a9f5-126a6115bb9a.html

but he was someone who comes off as somewhat of a nut, isn't electable, and word is he was only running to settle a personal beef with Benton.

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Re: Where Can you Open Carry, And Where Can't You?
« Reply #44 on: December 29, 2010, 10:40:56 PM »
I agree--that would be weird and it's also off topic. Besides, it's not her fault she was born in California!


I moved here from California! So did MamaLiberty!

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